The 'Big Leap' from Employee to Self-Employed, with Robert Mesch

February 3, 2023
Hosted by Patrick Laing

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This week on Finding Certainty, headliner host, Patrick Laing, takes a somewhat different approach to the show’s theme and style by focusing on a new/emerging entrepreneur rather than a longer-established business owner or influencer. He discusses the thrills, worries, challenges, and hopes with a long-time Corporate American manager who is making the leap from employee-to-self-employed even as we speak. Robert Mesch has had a long and storied career as an imaging technology sales professional, manager, and trainer. With 30+ years in the industry he’s seen the best and the worst of the space while working for some of the largest providers in the world. He’s experienced an impressive level of success and received a great deal of recognition, but also dealt with the recurring lack of control and lack of CERTAINTY that come with working for others. He shares with Finding Certainty’s listeners why he decided it was time to make the transition to ownership and why he named his firm Integrity’s Path LLC. He also addresses why he’s made the American Southwest his home for years (and never plans to move). Together, Robert and Patrick, discuss Robert's career, his transition, and Certainty Management’s own print/copy cost-reduction service, not to mention, one of Robert’s key secrets to consistent, forecastable sales success. He also shares a few of the key points he recently learned at Tony Robbins's Unshakeable Challenge event, lessons and principles that seem ideally, even serendipitously, timed for his new venture. Learn more about Finding Certainty, Certainty Management’s story, and Robert’s role therein, by texting the word Certainty to 26786 or visiting

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Patrick Laing

Founder and managing partner of Certainty Management, a Nevada based cost-reduction firm that helps raise zero-cost funding for U.S. nonprofits, Patrick Laing has 30+ years of business experience. A former Dale Carnegie instructor, his sales teams have achieved national recognition. One example: Patrick helped LeafGuard NW raise sales from $3.5MM to $20MM annually in just 3 years. They became # 1 in the country out of 65 offices. Promoted to National Trainer, he traveled nationwide, raising close rates 2-3 x at multiple offices. A U.S. Army veteran, Patrick worked in counter intelligence, held a Top-Secret clearance, and also served as a linguist in Italian. A graduate of BYU-Provo, Patrick served a two-year service mission for his church in Italy (‘89-90). While working for Delta Airlines, he received their top award, The Customer Service Citation. In addition to hosting Finding Certainty, Patrick is a contributing author to the Mission Matters series, a collection of lessons from CEOs whose companies are making a difference. Married to Tessha Laing, they live in Las Vegas and are proud dad and step-mom to 4 scholarship winners: in tumbling (U. of Oregon), diving (Cal State-Bakersfield), and academics x 2 (U. of OR & Wellesley College). Their youngest son, Evan, is a sponsored mountain bike racer. Patrick enjoys fly fishing, traveling, and time with his family. His proudest achievement, other than dad and husband, is the free nonprofit fundraising help his company provides.

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